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"Antisocial" author Andrew Marantz on how the far right hijacked the internet

Andrew Marantz, a staff writer at the New Yorker, talks with Recode's Kara Swisher about his new book, Antisocial: Online Extremists, TechnoUtopians, and the Hijacking of the American Conversation. He discusses the danger of designing social media platforms around emotional engagement, how people like Mike Cernovich and Milo Yiannopoulos exploited people's belief in a broad political "consensus," and technology's role in advancing hate and extremism online. Marantz also explains what he calls the...

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Publshed on: Oct 19, 2019
Duration: 01:07:35

Andrew Marantz professional background - how the book came about.
02:08 to 05:24
3.3 minutes
The key players: Andrew Breitbart
05:25 to 09:05
3.7 minutes
The key players: Steve Bannon
09:06 to 10:19
1.2 minutes
A "patron saint" of the book: Richard Rorty
10:20 to 12:48
2.5 minutes
The key players: Milo Yiannopoulos
12:49 to 15:41
2.9 minutes
Integrating all the threads: Mike Cernovich
15:42 to 18:39
3.0 minutes
Individuals have learned how to create social media waves that drive the news
18:40 to 19:37
57 seconds
If we understand the mechanism, why does it keep working? Macro-targeting and micro-targeting
19:38 to 23:05
3.5 minutes
The key players: Jim Hoft of Gateway Pundit
23:05 to 25:57
2.9 minutes
What is the state of things now? Richard Spencer
25:58 to 28:34
2.6 minutes
Is there a Great American Consensus? A widely-held mainstream view which is the "real" America?
28:35 to 30:30
1.9 minutes
What the Nationalists and the Left agree on: America was set up as a country for white men.
30:31 to 30:59
28 seconds
What is the role of technology in this situation?
31:00 to 33:19
2.3 minutes
To what degree are the shallow "libertarian" and "techno-utopian" roots of Silicon Valley to blame for the problem?
33:20 to 34:41
1.4 minutes
So what about the "Utopian" part of techno-utopian?
34:42 to 36:04
1.4 minutes
The injustice of Silicon Valley's view of themselves as "victims"
36:05 to 36:56
51 seconds
Silicon Valley's view of themselves as luminaries, not just motivated by profit
36:57 to 37:35
38 seconds
The philanthropy of Silicon Valley as hubris: don't tell us what the problems of the world are
37:36 to 38:10
34 seconds
The support of free speech by Silicon Valley as a naive, self-serving position
38:11 to 39:26
1.3 minutes
So where are the online extremists now? What about Russia? The Overton Window
39:27 to 42:16
2.8 minutes
Who remains - has the movement burned itself out? Tucker Carlson
42:17 to 45:00
2.7 minutes
The mainstream movement: Tucker Carlson, Sean Hannity, Laura Ingraham
45:01 to 48:47
3.8 minutes
Trump as a product of the movement rather than as a weird aberration - Fox and Friends
48:48 to 50:55
2.1 minutes
Why the constant lying by Trump? Does it work? Yes: it's part of building an emotional bond with the constituency.
50:56 to 56:00
5.1 minutes
Is Twitter responsible for this situation?
56:01 to 56:44
43 seconds
What can we do? Where does it go next? We have to regulate it.
56:45 to 59:25
2.7 minutes
We know social media is bad for society - so what is next? Regulation has to be driven by social consensus. Ultimately, it is a Capitalism problem.
59:26 to 01:02:33
3.1 minutes
Are you hopeful after writing this?
01:02:34 to 01:04:05
1.5 minutes
Wrap up - Marantz's current article: "Crisis of Conscience" and the Esalen Institute
01:04:06 to 01:05:42
1.6 minutes
A brief aside regarding "The Truman Show"
01:05:43 to 01:07:35
1.9 minutes